{"id":2952,"date":"2008-09-19T12:25:48","date_gmt":"2008-09-19T12:25:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/principles\/2008\/09\/19\/science21-funny-anecdotes\/"},"modified":"2008-09-19T12:25:48","modified_gmt":"2008-09-19T12:25:48","slug":"science21-funny-anecdotes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/chadorzel.com\/principles\/2008\/09\/19\/science21-funny-anecdotes\/","title":{"rendered":"Science21: Funny Anecdotes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It was not a great night for helpless mammals in Chateau Steelypips last night. SteelyKid was a little colicky, and the Queen of Niskayuna has developed some problem with her paw necessitating a vet visit today, which led to some late-night whining. Kate ended up spending several hours soothing SteelyKid, while I wound up going downstairs to comfort the dog, and falling asleep on the couch for a couple hours.<\/p>\n<p>The resulting mental fog is not really conducive to posting Deep Thoughts today, so instead you get a few funny anecdotes from last week&#8217;s conference.<\/p>\n<p>The first is more of a vignette: in the course of the discussion on <a href=\"http:\/\/friendfeed.com\/e\/565afeb3-a556-4f25-9d32-95012a2c73f8\/Discussion-Power-and-Progress-Democracy-and\/\">Democracy and Ethics in Science<\/a>, Lee Smolin spent a lot of time defending his view of &#8220;Science as an Ethical Community&#8221; (<a href=\"http:\/\/pirsa.org\/08090035\/\">video<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/friendfeed.com\/e\/ee68d711-5a9d-47f3-984a-2a5a18e4915e\/Lee-Smolin-Science-as-an-ethical\/\">microblogging<\/a>), and at one point wanted to de-emphasize the concept of peer review as a means of keeping crazy people out of science (which Harry Collins was quite keen on). &#8220;My &#8216;peer review&#8217; is whatever these guys have put in place on the <a href=\"http:\/\/arxiv.org\">arxiv<\/a>,&#8221; he said, waving toward Paul Ginsparg and Simeon Warner, who run it. &#8220;That&#8217;s good enough for me.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Across the room, Ginsparg said &#8220;Oh, Jesus,&#8221; and put his head in his hands.<\/p>\n<p>(<strong>UPDATE<\/strong>: Paul Ginsparg emails to say that he was not the person who said that. I type corrected. I thought it was him, but all I really know is somebody over there said &#8220;Oh, Jesus&#8221; (maybe it was Jacques)  and when I looked, Ginsparg had his head in his hands.)<\/p>\n<p>Second anecdote: In the course of his talk, Eric Weinstein pointed out the existence of a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.projecteuclid.org\/DPubS\/Repository\/1.0\/Disseminate?handle=euclid.jdg\/1214454478&#038;view=body&#038;content-type=pdf_1\">math paper<\/a> containing a statement that some condition in differential geometry holds &#8220;if and only if Mike&#8217;s dog really ate his frog.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>This turns out to be a hold-over from an incident in which one of the authors was going through draft after draft of a paper with his advisor, getting only the vaguest of criticisms. Suspecting that something was up, he stuck a whole mess of rhyming nonsense into the middle of the paper&#8211; &#8220;my dog ate a frog on a log in a bog&#8230;&#8221; ending with &#8220;Raoul, are you even reading this?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>A few days later, he asked about the latest draft, and got exactly the same vague comments as before. At which point, he realized he was getting a polite blow-off because his advisor was too busy to give detailed comments, and did something else until his advisor had time to actually read the paper carefully.<\/p>\n<p>Weinstein noted at the time that this paper was the sole Google result for the phrase &#8220;Mike&#8217;s dog really.&#8221; As you can see, thanks to this meeting, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=%22mike%27s+dog+really%22&#038;ie=utf-8&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;aq=t&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#038;client=firefox-a\">that&#8217;s no longer the case<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, also dealing with the power of Google, I had breakfast one morning with Paul Ginsparg (who was staying in the same hotel I was), who mentioned that the night before, he and <a href=\"http:\/\/golem.ph.utexas.edu\/~distler\/blog\/\">Jacques Distler<\/a> had been discussing how students learn the stuff that&#8217;s general knowledge in the field, and brought up the example of the &#8220;soft pion theorem,&#8221; which is apparently an important result that appears on page 60 of some 80-page paper written years ago. Ginsparg said he wondered how students would learn about the soft pion theorem, coming from outside the community where it&#8217;s common knowledge.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll write a <a href=\"http:\/\/golem.ph.utexas.edu\/~distler\/blog\/archives\/001787.html\">blog post about it<\/a>,&#8221; said Distler (according to Ginsparg), &#8220;and tomorrow it will be on the first page of Google results.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Jacques being Jacques,&#8221; Ginsparg said, &#8220;I got an email at seven this morning saying &#8216;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=%22soft+pion+theorem\">I rest my case<\/a>.'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s all I&#8217;ve got for today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It was not a great night for helpless mammals in Chateau Steelypips last night. SteelyKid was a little colicky, and the Queen of Niskayuna has developed some problem with her paw necessitating a vet visit today, which led to some late-night whining. Kate ended up spending several hours soothing SteelyKid, while I wound up going&hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"http:\/\/chadorzel.com\/principles\/2008\/09\/19\/science21-funny-anecdotes\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Science21: Funny Anecdotes<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"1","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[78],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2952","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-conferences","entry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/chadorzel.com\/principles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2952","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/chadorzel.com\/principles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/chadorzel.com\/principles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/chadorzel.com\/principles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/chadorzel.com\/principles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2952"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/chadorzel.com\/principles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2952\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/chadorzel.com\/principles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2952"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/chadorzel.com\/principles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2952"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/chadorzel.com\/principles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2952"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}